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#11 Sat 24th Oct 2009 11:53 am

Feritciva
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Registered: Mon 25th Feb 2008

Re: Women on the Edge of Evolution free teleseminar

I have to agree with Joe here. Women really need to learn their true power. But lots of women I observe are stuck somewhere between passive obedience & agressive reaction. In business life I saw a lot women who directly act like predators, I think Zenden is right on self-loathing issue. This means it's not easy to trust an ambitious woman colleague than a man - who I can always bond through a simple question "what team do you support, mate?".  big_smile

I am also sure that women has far greater potential than men spiritually. They just have to use this potential decently - and I can definitely see how women can become sources of light that shows the way by simply looking at - and learning from - our women here on ND.

Go ND girls!! storstark

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#12 Sat 24th Oct 2009 12:25 pm

Falvion
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Re: Women on the Edge of Evolution free teleseminar

I'm tickled to see so much activity on this topic. I woke up too late to listen to today's talk, but will download it presently. Lynne McTaggart spoke last week.  I'll be listening to that one, too. She's all about what we can accomplish with a collective intent-- and that's kind of the whole point of the series. And, I like to think, what all of us here at ND are interested in creating.

Joeman, I feel where you're coming from. Being a chick myself, and having grown up in a bible-thumper environment where most of the girls I knew thought their biggest purpose was to find a man and be a baby factory, I can see why you would feel there's no real feminine direction. But I'm here to tell you that all women aren't like that. Look at Zenden, SW, Voici, Charles, and all the good ND women I didn't name. We're not the only ones.

The self-loathing/low self-esteem is a huge issue. That's the archetypal foreign installation that seems to be most prevalent in women, and it's very sneaky. Every time you think you've figured it out and settled it and moved on, it finds some new way to pop back up. This seminar is one way the girls are getting together to battle it, I think. Every little bit helps.

Us women may not have realized our potential in the past, but now is the time when we find that power and learn to use it for the good of all.

As the witches say, So mote it be.

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#13 Sat 24th Oct 2009 07:20 pm

blue
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From: Nova Scotia
Registered: Fri 25th Jan 2008
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Re: Women on the Edge of Evolution free teleseminar

Joeman wrote:

I don't know why my last post was deleted.  I don't think it's a dumb post, but it is an accurate depiction of general population of female around me.

I saw the original post before it was deleted Joeman. There was nothing offensive, just your point of view. It was valid albeit not in line with the positive feminist posts herein. Balance is good. I personally wouldn't have deleted that post. But  I have a great team of moderators here, and I trust thm implicitly.

Your next reply was more succinct.  Let's leave it at that. You did nothing wrong Joeman.

Back to the thread, call me a dick, but I am male and want to be female (if there is a next time around). I hate what the male species has done to this planet. BUT - to say that the female is the best of the species is STILL dualistic. e.g one, or the other.

Do we have to go through another 26,000 years of now - female matriarchy?

Or can we move on to the third gender (like the US female troops in war torn countries) - genderless, androgynous?

I vote for the latter.


___________________________________________________________________ God put me here to accomplish certain things.
I am so far behind I will never die.

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#14 Sat 24th Oct 2009 07:28 pm

Tom Paine
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Registered: Fri 1st Feb 2008

Re: Women on the Edge of Evolution free teleseminar

One of the most terrible obstacles for women to overcome is the doctrine of
subservience of women by FUNDAMENTALIST CHURCHES.  If a woman is
a member of one of those churches, she can pretty much kiss her self awakening
goodbye.  She's already trapped. 

Joeman, your description of the congregation of that church pretty much matches
up with the one I was exposed to when I was in my early teens.  It amounts to
subservience and slavery to rules and commandments which were designed to
keep MEN on top and WOMEN under control.

Talk about thinking outside the box, that's not a box, it's a CAGE.

TP

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#15 Sat 24th Oct 2009 10:09 pm

Falvion
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Registered: Mon 11th Feb 2008
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Re: Women on the Edge of Evolution free teleseminar

I'm in the middle of listening to the first interview in the series with Lynne McTaggart, author of The Field and The Intention Experiment (by the way, a very interesting book. Check it out), and I had to pause to come over here and share this bit with you all. Blue, and all you fine men listening in, this is for you. hjarta

The ladies were discussing the patriarchal system and all its woes, and Ms. McTaggart stopped and made this brilliant comment (I'm paraphrasing). She pointed out that it isn't men who are the villains in the world or the fullness of history. It's the mindset we each and all have that we are SEPARATE, and the belief that we must COMPETE for resources and survival. And with a little retraining of our thoughts, we can change that.

Now her whole body of work deals with just this--harnessing the power of a group of individuals and their conscious intent to change things for the better-- like sending healing to the sick. I think one the experiments she had planned was to improve crops in a specific region(!!!). That's the scale she's working on, not "Secret" kind of "give me more shiny things."

Her point in the interview (so far) is that we are ALL responsible for the state of our world, not just the men, and not just the women. ALL of us have to change what we believe and expect from and for the world in order to change it.

Instead of living by the belief in competition and struggle for survival, we could rather start envisioning COOPERATION and intending SUPPORT and HELP for each other. We understand that we're all connected, and then we move into a consciousness of working together so that we are all cared for.

Like those "third-gender" troops above, this is how we move past the illusion of separation and blame.

You boys are welcome to register in and listen to these interviews, too, you know. Because like Blue says, females aren't the final answer. It's the feminine qualities, accessible to and needed by us all, like connection and nurturing, that are the answer.

I'm not psyched about this at all. smile

P.S.-- If you want to know more about Lynne McTaggart and her intention experiments (which you can also participate in if you want), here's her website:

www.theintentionexperiment.com/

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#16 Sun 25th Oct 2009 02:59 am

CrowClaw13
Infantile Greenhorn
From: Bilbo's Hollow CA
Registered: Mon 17th Aug 2009

Re: Women on the Edge of Evolution free teleseminar

Gosh, i love this topic.  I'll make sure to check out these sites when Im not busy being addicted to aimless pursuits. 

The thread's nfo-flow really coincides with the undergrad stuff I'm involved in currently. Just wrapped up a paper on Three Cups of Tea, a book about a dude who constructed a bunch of collaborative-based schools in Afghanistan and Pakistan to educate and empower the women over there.  The book is not written particularly well and is a bit too mainstream-contemporary for my tastes, yet the Intent is there...somewhere.  She is blind and She is swinging, but Her Intent is there.  I'll tell you, the children in these rural regions have a kind of wisdom we glue-eating Americano me-generation-kiddos don't got.

Oh and awesome pic. SW; it really speaks volumes for the kind of work that needs to be done right now.

"Hello, neighbor what can we do for you?"

rather than

"This is what you need; this euphemistic machine is democracy...oops sorry.  I'm a bit trigger happy.  Ah, you'll get over it.  Hey, you know if there's a brothel nearby or an alleyway?"

blue wrote:

Back to the thread, call me a dick, but I am male and want to be female (if there is a next time around). I hate what the male species has done to this planet. BUT - to say that the female is the best of the species is STILL dualistic. e.g one, or the other.

I'm on the same page Blue.  Anatomically-speaking I'm not much of a fan when it comes to this awkward, and dare I say, unappealing lower appendage. lol  Women are way cooler in my book. 

Joking aside, the predatory power trips these goons amble around drive me crazy.  Strange life.  I wander these spiraling trails repeatedly repulsed by my fellow male brethren.  The Shadow speaks: 

"Why doesn't he watch porn regularly" asks General Grok
"Dunno, he never laughs at the boob jokes neither." spits Tobacco Joe
"Hmm, he's always chattin 'em up about feelings n shit. I bet he's a fairy," snickers passive-aggressive Sir Slither
"Har Har me lads! Let us use his good intentions against him.  He knows these jewels! We will rope us some ripe harpies yet," snarls Mr. Mead.


Nice men-friends are hard to come by these days.  tongue


"I don't think outside the box...I just find a bigger one"     - some retired sorcerer

Be outwardly courteous to all without distinction, whether they be rich or poor, friends or enemies, power-possessors or slaves, and to whatever religion they may belong, but inwardly remain free and never put much trust in anyone or anything     -a lost bard's commandment

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#17 Sun 25th Oct 2009 03:27 am

CrowClaw13
Infantile Greenhorn
From: Bilbo's Hollow CA
Registered: Mon 17th Aug 2009

Re: Women on the Edge of Evolution free teleseminar

Falvion wrote:

The ladies were discussing the patriarchal system and all its woes, and Ms. McTaggart stopped and made this brilliant comment (I'm paraphrasing). She pointed out that it isn't men who are the villains in the world or the fullness of history. It's the mindset we each and all have that we are SEPARATE, and the belief that we must COMPETE for resources and survival. And with a little retraining of our thoughts, we can change that.

My weakness: I love to abuse macho stereotypes, 

You are so right on Falvion.  The artificial separation is the nail-kicker! Collective disconnection has been fused in place by this loop-dreamt System.

'Must have mine; must consume before ye take what is mine', mind-screams an inner zombie.






This System stinks all the way to Leech-God Heaven!


"I don't think outside the box...I just find a bigger one"     - some retired sorcerer

Be outwardly courteous to all without distinction, whether they be rich or poor, friends or enemies, power-possessors or slaves, and to whatever religion they may belong, but inwardly remain free and never put much trust in anyone or anything     -a lost bard's commandment

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#18 Sun 25th Oct 2009 04:32 am

SiriArc
AD VO ZIN
From: Denver
Registered: Thu 31st Jan 2008

Re: Women on the Edge of Evolution free teleseminar

theforeigninstallation doesn‘t discriminate fe/male,

BOTH have been dIsToRtEd

From Their True Nature

And The Intent Behind The Design Of That Nature

For Those That Are Able, Glance Back Over This Thread And:



DISCERN




Note Those ONES .......

and compare with consensus flatland limited focus FEED  of the f’edinstalls kak kak kak kak kak kak kak kak kak kak kak kak kak kak kak kak kak kak kak kak kak kak .......


The FOCUS Put forth, Tells US Who(who)

And What(what) You(you) Are


http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic. … 840#p32840



http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic. … 907#p32907




Duality and predation (and validation of pain and suffering) are the water in this fish tank - It’s what we “know" as interpreted by the “mind" parasite which seems like “self".


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#19 Sun 25th Oct 2009 12:21 pm

Tom Paine
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Registered: Fri 1st Feb 2008

Re: Women on the Edge of Evolution free teleseminar

The "water in the fish tank" is precisely the Invisible Goo that traps people's minds.

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#20 Sun 25th Oct 2009 12:48 pm

Falvion
gazing into Mystery
Registered: Mon 11th Feb 2008
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Re: Women on the Edge of Evolution free teleseminar

Yes, Siri, the FI affects us all, clearly. It is the "goo" that tells us exactly the lie that will detour each of us the most effectively. (Good one, Tom.) I didn't mean to imply that women get it more than men. We don't. I was only observing how it has manifested in my own life, and in those of most, if not all, the women I've known.

And now that I think about it, several of my male friends do show signs that they also struggle with self-loathing, or poor self-esteem. Maybe it just presents differently in some cases? Maybe men hide it better than we do? I'm no expert. I should learn to look deeper, I guess.

Ah, duality and separation. I'm learning that's the biggest lie of all.

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