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#1 Tue 16th Jun 2015 03:40 pm

Valentine
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Where is mind in nature?

This is not new and I hope has no been posted already.

http://jonlieffmd.com/blog/where-is-min … ign=buffer

All Searching for the Mind posts describe intelligent behavior in nature that is difficult to explain using theories that only allow for random interactions between molecules—that is, without mind. Intelligent behavior in nature can be observed in, at least, 6 orders of magnitude from the size of a human being down to the size of cells, and an unknown number of orders of magnitude larger if we include interactions with other people and society (the entire earth would be 7 more orders of magnitude). Many different posts demonstrate recent scientific findings that implicate mind interacting with matter in the human brain, in animals, plants and cells—both microbes and human cells. Viruses, which are basically only a strand of DNA or RNA, also demonstrate complex intelligent behavior. Critical questions include where is mind in nature and what form could it take?

Most of the data for posts were discovered in the months before they were written. The vast complexity of molecular and cellular behavior is just now being uncovered. As a result, generation old dogmas, which currently dominate science, are rapidly being undermined and a new paradigm is needed. The notion that random molecular movement and “emergence” from this can explain subjective experience is a bankrupt theory. The word “emergence” is used when the mechanism is not understood.

This post will break with the website format of only referring to scientific data. It will first summarize important discoveries that infer mind interacts with matter and then offer a speculation about a possible mechanism. 



This is just the introduction.  The rest of the article is at the link.


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#2 Thu 18th Jun 2015 10:41 am

SW
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Re: Where is mind in nature?

Hi Val - so happy to see your name on here. Love this topic. We "humans" are really a zillion different living organisms all engaged in "life". It just keeps on getting more remarkable the more we understand.

https://vimeo.com/116203451
Lucy - On the Purpose of Life 1


A short clip from motion picture Lucy starring Scarlett Johansson. In it her character with Morgan Freeman's discuss the purpose of life. The clip is part of series of clips from the film used in the blog entry "Counting Lessons with Lucy" (wp.me/p4SW4S-8V) which discusses concepts put forward in the film in relation to a the poem by Janet Martin called 'Counting Lessons'

Clipped by This Way South ( thiswaysouth.wordpress.com)

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#3 Sun 29th Oct 2017 06:48 am

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Re: Where is mind in nature?

A new very interesting read from News from the Edge -

http://www.unknowncountry.com/news/thes … ures-brain

These Dimensions go up to Eleven: Neuroscientists Discover Multi-Dimensional Structures in the Brain
Thursday, June 15, 2017

A team of neuroscientists studying the mathematical layout of the human brain has discovered that the brain arranges itself in multidimensional structures beyond the typical three dimensions we're familiar with, with some arrangements expressing themselves in up to eleven dimensions.

Using a field of mathematics called algebraic topology, researchers from the Swiss-based Blue Brain Project mapped the structures of both individual neurons and the networked clusters, or "cliques", that they form. Algebraic topology is used to describe the mathematical shape of objects and the spaces in between them, regardless of how the shapes themselves might be altered. The study used a computer model of only part of the human brain, the neocortex in this case, that the team built in 2015 -- remember that the brain has an estimated 86 billion individual neurons, with each cell having a potential for hundreds of networked connections, meaning that even the most powerful supercomputers on the planet struggle to simulate even a portions of our noodles.

The result was surprising: the structures the neurons and their associated cliques formed represented not only the three physical dimensions, but delved into multidimensional structures to accomplish their functions.

"We found a world that we had never imagined," exclaims neuroscientist and lead researcher, Henry Markram from Switzerland's EPFL institute. "There are tens of millions of these objects even in a small speck of the brain, up through seven dimensions. In some networks, we even found structures with up to 11 dimensions."

What we perceive of the world around us is presented to us as a three dimensional (or four, depending on the context) representation of our environment, but this isn't necessarily representative of what's going on under the hood. This is similar to the difference between the visual representation of words that you are reading on your screen at this moment, and the functioning of the switches in the processor that produces them.

The team found that the brain's functioning depends heavily on this mathematical structure, with the spaces in between the neurons seemingly performing a function itself. When artificial stimulus was applied to the virtual brain, the networked clusters reformed themselves in a highly organized fashion.

"It is as if the brain reacts to a stimulus by building [and] then razing a tower of multi-dimensional blocks, starting with rods (1D), then planks (2D), then cubes (3D), and then more complex geometries with 4D, 5D, etc," explains one of the team's mathematicians, Ran Levi, of Scotland's Aberdeen University.

"The progression of activity through the brain resembles a multi-dimensional sandcastle that materialises out of the sand and then disintegrates."

    Image Credit: Visualization of DTI data, depicting a detail of an axial slice of a human brain. The visualization uses standard diffusion ellipsoids, colored with the XYZ-RGB principal eigenvector color mapping. via Wikimedia Commons   


    News Source: sciencealert.com   

And I just had to share these comments -



I think that the deepest meaning of this discovery is the fact that this process unfolds at the quantum physical level--that is to say, in structures that are so small that the ambiguities of quantum physics must apply to them and must be affecting their action.

Given this, it seems that the larger structures in the brain must act as filters, so that we perceive only in dimensions that enable us to function, which are the basic three. This makes me wonder if psychoactive substances might not anesthetize the filtering mechanism, causing us to perceive a larger vision of reality? And what of anomalous perceptions like the close encounter experience, the seeing of ghosts and so forth? Are these really events that somehow bypass the filter, and if so, is it that the degree of filtration isn't consistent across brains--that one brain may do more filtering than another?

Food for thought, for sure!
Posted by Whitley on 16 Jun 2017 at 13:54



In studies of psychics, mystics and healers, some of these individuals access higher dimensions by stilling their mind with an image, imagining it clearly, then letting go, and are then able to access/perceive the higher dimensions. So the image may create a multidimensional structure in the brain, which then gives the person access to the higher dimensions, rather than act as a filter. For example, in Healing Touch biofield therapy, healers start with an image of Light entering the third eye of the client. They have to imagine the Light at first, then there is typically a shift, where either the Light takes on a different quality, or more often, the Light illuminates blocks in the client's body, which the healer cannot see in the 3D world. So imagery is very helpful in energy healing.

Imagery seems very important for human development, and this research may open a window as to why this is so.
Posted by 4Keys on 16 Jun 2017 at 18:03

I put it to you that the 11 dimensions are already there, they aren't 'accessed'. Look at Huxley's reducing valve in the the doors of perception. In that he was getting fixated on lower dimensions, all of the dimensions make us 'normal'.
Posted by jj on 18 Jun 2017 at 12:51

Once again thank you a million times for this wonderful place.


HOPE is the thing with feathers   
That perches in the soul,   
And sings the tune without the words,   
And never stops at all        Emily Dickinson

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